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  How the organization can survive and thrive in the 21st Century

  by kneehighmiah in

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  2. friends

  let's face it.

  after 2014 comes and goes uneventfully, reality will hit hard for many.

  the organization will fall apart and apathy, inactivity and bitterness will rule.

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  cha ching

  Exactly, eyeuse2badub! "They ain't broke"...... and that is what they are all about!
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  Rights vs. Beliefs vs. Compliance vs. Blackmail

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rights vs beliefs vs compliance vs blackmail.

  i did not want this subject to get lost amongst the many valuable threads because of its finnish title... please read the comments on this post, as it moved me to boil it down to how it really strikes me.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/279592/1/breaking-news-finland-attacks-judicial-committees#.u2pfzsxou1o.

  please think about these questions.. if i grew up in the mafia, was a born in, and had no idea what the family business was all about..... believing it was an honest business... & i participated, what would happen if, at a more mature age, discovered what was going on behind the scenes... pedophilia, money laundering, blackmailing......

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  Famous quotes…..

  "Once I thought I was out...they pulled me back in"

  "Keep your friends close...but your enemies closer"

  " Leave the gun, take the cannolis"

  " I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"

  “ Make a wish...it'll be your last"

  “The best way to enter our business is to be born into it.”

  “All problems resolves themselves; given time.”

  “Extreme problems often require extreme solutions.”

  “Friends are not as important as family. Do not confuse the loyalty of friendship with the bond of blood.”

  “A man without enemies is a man without qualities. Even Jesus Christ had many enemies.”

  “If you can’t win by fighting fair, fight foul. Or have a third party do your fighting.”

  “God will provide, but you must provide till he does.”

  “A thousand enemies is not enough; a single enemy is. There is nothing as a ‘ harmless ’ enemy.”
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  Rights vs. Beliefs vs. Compliance vs. Blackmail

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rights vs beliefs vs compliance vs blackmail.

  i did not want this subject to get lost amongst the many valuable threads because of its finnish title... please read the comments on this post, as it moved me to boil it down to how it really strikes me.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/279592/1/breaking-news-finland-attacks-judicial-committees#.u2pfzsxou1o.

  please think about these questions.. if i grew up in the mafia, was a born in, and had no idea what the family business was all about..... believing it was an honest business... & i participated, what would happen if, at a more mature age, discovered what was going on behind the scenes... pedophilia, money laundering, blackmailing......

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  cha ching

  Rights vs Beliefs vs Compliance vs Blackmail

  I did not want this subject to get lost amongst the many valuable threads because of it’s Finnish title… Please read the comments on this post, as it moved me to boil it down to how it really strikes me…

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/279592/1/BREAKING-NEWS-Finland-attacks-judicial-committees#.U2pFZSxOU1o

  PLEASE THINK ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS.

  If I grew up in the ‘Mafia,’ was a “ born in, ” and had no idea what ‘the family business’ was all about….

  Believing it was an honest business… & I participated, what would happen if, at a more ‘mature’ age, discovered what was going on behind the scenes… pedophilia, money laundering, blackmailing…… ????

  and THEN was actually “ compelled ” to either ‘support the family business’ …‘make a hit’ …either you do it, or else your family will “miss you” …wink, wink.

  Now, let’s say I was ALSO a person in a public position , who would be able to influence people’s decisions regarding the validity and success of this ‘family business’ I had grown up in. (Lawyer? Congressman? School teacher? CEO of a Charity?) (an elder? Pioneer? C.O.?) Would I be ‘free’ to express my findings without harm to myself or my family?

  Upon hearing that I might not “comply,” to ‘the family’s orders,' strange and scary things start to occur. Imagine three people, from out of the area, appearing in your nice, happy, sweet little “family business” (All with guns, hats, over coats and the power / authority to use ‘whatever means necessary’ to straighten out the ‘situation’.) Your father (‘mother’) has sent them… (“ “Extreme problems often require extreme solutions.” )

  You’ve loved your parents, have been raised to believe in ‘loyalty’ to the family (organization) and now the ‘family’ (org) is ready to ‘delete’ you.

  Now, if we need any help visualizing, let’s put it in context:

  You have just discovered the way the WT deals with pedophilia.

  Perhaps, like Manuela Dorman, you just found out that your child has been molested, and you are threatened with blackmail if you go to the police… “We will tell everyone about what happened years ago if you testify or go to the police about this.” Is your “family,” this loving brotherhood/sisterhood really saying this to you?

  OR.....

  You have testified in a trial “in opposition to the WT”, and now that the case has ended, three new elders with the power to ‘kill’/end your life as you know it, delete your very existence, sweep you under the carpet, take away your good name, infer whatever they want to, have been appointed to your congregation! Your “mother” wants to keep her name “without reproach.” ( “Our principles are highest; honor, solidarity and vengeance. We know there’s no justice for us, except we earn it. We earn respect.”)

  They go about “their business” according to the book, feeling no twinge of conscience; they just ‘point and shoot.’ (“ Make a wish...it'll be your last")

  Is their a difference when a ‘religion’ ‘deletes’/ ‘disfellowships’ people, to cover up their wrongdoing, or is a crime just crime?
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  I had a funny feeling he was a Witness... and now I need help.

  by noontide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im in a bit of a bind and im not quite sure what (if anything) i can do about it.

  i was recently hired as a business consultant for a rather large company.

  the company that hired me mentioned that they are concerned about a certain department and the way its being run, as this department affects every other department in the company.

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  Have you spoken to the employees under his supervision? Do they have clear direction? Usually, the people working close with someone have the inside story, but are not able to express it to someone with the ability to change it without consequence to themselves.... and would actually love to have a 'fine tuning' to make their job more productive and meaningful.

  That is how it is where I work. We have a new 'supervisor', (not a JW) but she does not have a deep understanding of how all the departments, paperwork and coding relate. Yet, she is charge of giving instructions, that are sometimes frustrating, to the people who need to accomplish their job every day.
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  Humans have been on the earth for 6,000 years?

  by make yourself in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i just heard this today at the meeting.

  honestly i've never really paid much attention too it, but i know it's out of place.

  can anyone shed some factual and historical light on this subject?

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  cha ching

  Dear MakeYourself,

  Yep, the "Society" has taught, in the past, that there have been only 6,000 years of mankind's existence, Matt 1:1-17, Luke 3:23-38). Add 1,000 years, for "Christ's 1,000 reign", you get a "7,000 year creative day."

  The WT writers have to deal with new evidence of life's existence on earth being older than what the 'Bible/Society' claims (if each day = 7,000 years)

  Here we see the slow insertion of the "get out of jail card" being used. JW's will now be able to quote from either direction: "See? 7,000 years!" "See? the Society said "Thousands of years, not necessarily 7,000"

  Cognitive dissonance at it's best.
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  Jesus' 100th Anniversary of Kingdom Rulership - ONLY 150 DAYS REMAINING

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear anthony morris the turd.

  october 2, 2014 is only 150 days from now.... what bull sh*t are you cooking up to mitigate the expected fallout?.

  you might consider shedding "nu-lite" on this continuously recycled quote.... on friday morning, october 2, 1914, charles taze russell, who took the lead at that time among the bible students, strode into the dining room at bethel in brooklyn, new york.

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  cha ching

  Good one Searcher! I like the scripture..

  17　Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him. (James 4:17)
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  New Article: Jehovah's Witnesses and Chosen Ignorance

  by daringhart13 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  would love your feedback.

  thanks gang!.

  http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-chosen-path-of-ignorance .

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  cha ching

  The Bible itself states:

  "... do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself?" - Romans 2:21

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  Despite all the proof being at their fingertips, on their personal bookshelves, on their CD Rom libraries... Jehovah's Witnesses, considered both 'strong' and 'weak' won't seek the truth. They choose to bury their heads in sand.... despite claiming their very lives depend on knowing the truth.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses stand up at a circuit or district assembly and pledge allegiance to an organization. They are required to answer 'yes' to the following question before they are immersed in baptism:

  "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

  You will note that this is not found anywhere in the Scriptures. But even more damning is that nearly every person answering 'yes' to this questions...often in front of thousands... knows almost nothing about Jehovah's Witnesses.

  I was not able to fully find out 'anything' about JW's until the internet came along... So many/most of the older books that were always quoted, reverred, were not available. Read 'The Finshed Mystery', by Russell and weep... You will not believe what that man wrote... it is pure lunacy, and that is who was always spoken highly of, the great brother Russell who started this whole ball of 'man worship' and misery rolling.

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  The Bible itself states:

  "... do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself?" - Romans 2:21
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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  Yes, Londo, 1919 is the KingPin!

  They definitely would need a distraction, for a few.....

  When I brought up 1914 as "possibly" not being "the date," my very smart cousin did not get the connection between 1914 & 1919! She only said "Well, if Jehovah wants to wait longer, so more people can get the truth, that's ok with me, that's great, nobody knows the day or the hour."

  However,if Jehovah's Witnesses want to keep the "Revelation 11:3" description of the "two witnesses" (as they claim to be the beginning of the FDS) (wait, is it the GB) (hmmmm....?) ..... then they MUST keep 1914 as the beginning of Christ's reign...

  *** dp chap. 17 p. 296 par. 18 Identifying True Worshipers in the Time of the End ***

  The prophecy is quite explicit as to when the 1,260 days would end—when there is "a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces." In the middle of 1918, leading members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, including its president, J.　F.　Rutherford, were convicted on false charges, sentenced to long terms of confinement, and imprisoned. God’s holy ones did indeed see their work ‘dashed to pieces,’ their power broken. Counting back three and a half years from mid-1918 brings us to the end of 1914. At that time the little band of anointed ones were bracing themselves for the onslaught of persecution

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  *** hs chap. 8 pp. 143-144 par. 13 "Spirit of Life from God Entered into Them"

  For a shorttime, like three and a half days, the organization of these proclaimers of Bible prophecies and witnesses to God’s established kingdom were in public disgrace. The people who had been tormented by the preaching of Bible truths rejoiced over the suppression of the Kingdom witnesses. From Christendom’s viewpoint, the organization of the witnesses was ‘dead.’ But had the spirit of God been killed, put to death? It had not proved to be dead when the body of the impaled Jesus Christ lay dead in the tomb for parts of three days. So, nineteen centuries later, it did not prove to be ‘dead’ after the organization of the Kingdom witnesses had lain dead "for three and a half days," relatively speaking.

  15 Surprisingly, late in March of 1919, the officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and their fellow prisoners were released on bail and went to work. Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew 24:14 got renewed attention.

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  ** re chap. 27 p. 184 par. 26 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

  26 How long did this respite for the seed of God’s woman last? Revelation 12:6 says 1,260 days. Revelation 12:14 calls the period a time, times, and half a time; in other words, three and a half times. In fact, both expressions stand for three and a half years, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class.

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  ** re chap. 22 p. 146 par. 14 The First Woe—Locusts ***

  But in 1919 they already had a royal appearance. They were brothers of the King, and their heavenly crowns were reserved for them provided they continued faithful to the end.—2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.

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  ** re chap. 25 p. 169 Reviving the Two Witnesses ***Raised Again!

  These two prophecies, in Ezekiel and in Revelation, had their striking modern-day fulfillment in 1919, when Jehovah restored his “deceased” witnesses to vibrant life.

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  ** re chap. 27 p. 184 par. 25 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

  Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation. This is not to be confused with the Messianic Kingdom that has been ruling from the heavens since 1914. Rather, this new nation is made up of the remnant of anointed witnesses on earth, who were brought into a glorious spiritual estate in 1919.

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  These 'very solid reasons' for believing 'you have the truth' are slowly, deliberately, very cleverly, being deleted.
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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  cha ching

  Very interesting Londo, I was just talking about this the other day... However, I was thinking that lawyers are always writing tricky, mind bending, twisty, turny, 'seal you in the grave' policies.

  Adding the 'marketing consultants' and 'psychologists' into the mix is the perfect combo.....

  It all makes sense, the 'curtain' is being pulled back, the 'Wizard' is just a 'man' and a clever bunch of men, indeed!
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  This is my first post

  by Make Lemonade in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

  there are resources here that are deep.

  like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

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  cha ching

  Well done Kate!

  Well done Make Lemonade!